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09-02-2009, 05:48 AM
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Kang Ho is a friend but I still think he got robbed... Does anyone have a link to a good quality video of the Korea Japan matches? There is something low quality on you tube but it's too jerky to see if the point is good or not...
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09-04-2009, 02:57 AM
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I think that the "winning" point absolutely curves around the tsuba. I also think Lee got robbed (also thought Lee was a stronger kumsha than Park, btw. Or at least more dynamic). Honestly, the people who are defending the judging... It's just hard to see it.
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09-06-2009, 07:16 PM
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Does anyone know when the shimpan can save a player from going out of bounds? Is it just at his discretion?
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09-07-2009, 03:02 AM
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The shimpan can call yame when he/she wants...
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09-11-2009, 07:31 AM
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Very new to this and not at all experienced with judging, but....
In the final, can someone tell me why the houri at 3:04 did NOT score? And it looked to me like the exchange at 4:25 - 4:30 ended with a clean Mouri.
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09-11-2009, 08:57 AM
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Care to give a link to the video you are looking at?
On a thread drift, I was talking to a couple of kodanja yesterday night. I sort of threw something out there:
Why not have the best shimpan judge the key matches regardless of the countries playing? I would love to see Japanese and Korean shimpan judging Korea-Japan matches. A lot of the points that score at the AJKC or at professional events in Korea would never get scored at WKC. If Kendo is a martial art and honour is a key aspect of the discipline, what is holding us back?
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09-11-2009, 09:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CESAREKIM
Care to give a link to the video you are looking at?
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The first video clip, from the original thread post:
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The winning point looked good to me (again, I am very much a novice), but it looked no different to me then the hiki mein done by his opponent earlier. I would appreciate comment from someone more experienced who could tell me what I am missing.
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09-12-2009, 09:23 AM
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A few personal thoughts on this final match between Park & Teramoto....
I watched the first video posted on YouTube by KW and felt the two were evenly matched. But the remastered video released by KW cuts out some time from the main match before sudden death (yeonjang or encho) and appears to give the impression the Teramoto had an edge. But I would have to rewatch the original version again to be sure.
Second, the remastered version only shows in slow motion Teramoto's winning meori/men hit which appears to be a clear point/ippon. While the hit was slightly deflected by Park's jukdo, it was not enough to get Teramoto's strike off the mark. What I would love to have seen is a slow motion video of Park meori hit to say whether Park was "robbed" of his win or not.
Anyway, in any case, the matches are judged by fallible humans and there will always be misjudging that could alter the final outcome. All should take it for what it is and don't make it a big deal. My KJN always says tournaments are good ways to gauge your progress and to share in a common experience with other kumdosa and not the end in itself. He says it is better to lose giving all you have without any reservation and conduct yourself beautifully than win at any cost, because in the end you will know deep inside you whether you were a true winner or not.
Last edited by samsuh; 09-12-2009 at 09:28 AM.
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09-12-2009, 09:27 AM
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One more thought on this issue. I have noticed after watching countless videos of kumdo/kendo matches that judges tend to be more willing to a give point in yeonjang/encho than they are in the main match. Perhaps it's psychological that they want to see the end and are more wiling to award point to a strike that wouldn't normally be considered a point during the main match.
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09-12-2009, 09:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CESAREKIM
Care to give a link to the video you are looking at?
On a thread drift, I was talking to a couple of kodanja yesterday night. I sort of threw something out there:
Why not have the best shimpan judge the key matches regardless of the countries playing? I would love to see Japanese and Korean shimpan judging Korea-Japan matches. A lot of the points that score at the AJKC or at professional events in Korea would never get scored at WKC. If Kendo is a martial art and honour is a key aspect of the discipline, what is holding us back?
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Ceasar,
Just curious--what were the reactions you got from them?
Sam
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09-14-2009, 01:17 AM
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They said it might be interesting. No more hiding behind inferior referees...
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